How do you download a single useful app to an older iPad model MC497LL

[Andy Burnelli]

How do you download a single useful app to an older iPad model MC497LL

An older friend of mine has two old Apple iOS devices which, if they were
Android, would still work just fine on an older Android (the apps are what
matter and most Android apps work just fine on almost any Android version).

Yet, Apple, in its infinitely despicable customer unfriendly greed, has
essentially unilaterally killed each of her two older Apple devices.

She called me for advice on how to load software onto her iOS 5.1.1 circa
2010 Model MC497LL iPad because she says everything unilaterally no longer
works.

Given those facts above, and given Apple won't let her log into the iCloud,
what options does she have just to use this older iPad which she owns?

Apple doesn't own this device. She owns it.
Apple wants to kill it. I get that. Apple is despicable. I know that.

But all she wants to do is to use her iPad for _something_ useful.
Anything.

She owns it and Apple has no right to unilaterally kill her iPad.

I'm advising her to do one thing and one thing only which is turn that older
iPad into a single-use device, whether that's a kitchen clock or her GMail
account, or her Google Voice telephone, or whatever, as that's all it's
going to be good for.

But how does she even download the kitchen clock app if it won't download?

[nospam]

In article <srkc1n$12ca$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

<sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> She called me for advice on how to load software onto her iOS 5.1.1 circa
> 2010 Model MC497LL iPad because she says everything unilaterally no longer
> works.

that's a 12 year old ipad.

android tablets half that old are not supported anymore.

however, they all still work, just as they did when new.

they are limited in what they can do because nearly all new apps
require newer ios/android versions and newer hardware.

> Given those facts above, and given Apple won't let her log into the iCloud,

yes they will.

yet another example of the blind leading the blind.

> what options does she have just to use this older iPad which she owns?

she can use it all she wants. apple doesn't care.

it's not as capable as a more recent model, but that's to be expected.

> Apple doesn't own this device. She owns it.

correct. that is not in dispute.

> Apple wants to kill it. I get that.

nope. apple does not want to kill it, nor could they kill it even if
they did want that, which they do not.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 13:40:26 -0500, nospam wrote:

> that's a 12 year old ipad.

She is an old lady who keeps her iPads in immaculate condition.

All she wants is for her property to work as it did prior to Apple
unilaterally making her life miserable. Is that too much to ask of Apple?

> android tablets half that old are not supported anymore.
> however, they all still work, just as they did when new.

There's a huge difference I believe in that she is telling me over the phone
that even her old existing apps are no longer working on her old iPad.

I have _plenty_ of Android devices where I do agree that _some_ apps which
log into a mothership no longer work (e.g., I think I once saw that with the
"talkatone" app), but the vast majority of apps on Android don't care what
the version number is of the operating system (it's just a meaningless
number to the app itself).

If the app doesn't need to log into a mothership, how is the app to even
_know_ that it's an old app on an old operating system?

For all the app knows, if it doesn't need to log into the mothership, is
that it's still stuck in 2010 as nothing else on the iPad should have
changed since then.

> they are limited in what they can do because nearly all new apps
> require newer ios/android versions and newer hardware.

This may be true for the iOS apps but it's not even close to true for
Android apps. On Android, almost all your old apps _still_ work fine,
particularly without any Google Account being needed for Android.

The app that doesn't log into _anything_ doesn't even _know_ it's an "old"
app on an old Android for heaven's sake.

>> Given those facts above, and given Apple won't let her log into the iCloud,
>
> yes they will.
>
> yet another example of the blind leading the blind.

In this case she's an old lady who is not in the least technical, and,
unfortunately, she confuses her google account with her icloud account
(given they're the same address). So it's difficult to help her, I agree.

Still... all she wants is for her iPad to work as it did in 2010.
Had this been a 2010 Android, the apps would almost all work just fine.
Even had this been a 2010 Windows 7, the apps would almost all work fine.

It's only iOS which kills the apps if Apple wants to claim the iPad too old.
And even then, it's likely _because_ Apple forces a mothership account.

If Apple did not force a mothership account onto all its iPads, would she be
having this problem? I think not.

Nonetheless, the problem exists. For billions of people it exists.
The question is what can she do that's useful with her expensive iPad?

>> what options does she have just to use this older iPad which she owns?
>
> she can use it all she wants. apple doesn't care.
> it's not as capable as a more recent model, but that's to be expected.

I suggested she load a kitchen-clock app to at least turn her expensive iPad
into a kitchen clock. Do you know of a kitchen clock app that she can
download today on the Apple App Store that will work with her iOS version?

>> Apple doesn't own this device. She owns it.
>
> correct. that is not in dispute.

I also suggested she try to just use the old iPad as a web browser only
(since she said "Google Works" (whatever that means to her).

But it might be more useful as a speakerphone to her, I would think.

>> Apple wants to kill it. I get that.
>
> nope. apple does not want to kill it, nor could they kill it even if
> they did want that, which they do not.

Given she has many iPads (most of course newer than this one) she's the one
telling me that this older iPad won't do anywhere near what it used to do.

As always with iPads, I'm just trying to find something _useful_ that it can
do.

All I'm trying to do to help her is find _one_ app that we can turn that
iPad into that does something useful for an old lady who stays at home.

For example, if you know of how she can load a kitchen-clock app that works
with that iPad, that would be helpful from you.

[nospam]

In article <srkkhc$1m23$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

<sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> She is an old lady who keeps her iPads in immaculate condition.

irrelevant. it's a 12 year old ipad, regardless of who she is or what
she does.

> All she wants is for her property to work as it did prior to Apple
> unilaterally making her life miserable. Is that too much to ask of Apple?

apple didn't do anything to affect her life or anyone else's life.

old products become obsolete. it's that simple.

> > android tablets half that old are not supported anymore.
> > however, they all still work, just as they did when new.
>
> There's a huge difference I believe in that she is telling me over the phone
> that even her old existing apps are no longer working on her old iPad.

some apps might not work because they rely on external services that no
longer exist or require security protocols that a device that old does
not support, because ten years ago, they didn't exist.

banks in particular are very aggressive in requiring the latest apps
and operating systems.

> I have _plenty_ of Android devices where I do agree that _some_ apps which
> log into a mothership no longer work (e.g., I think I once saw that with the
> "talkatone" app),

that's exactly the situation.

modern apps won't run because they require something much newer than
ios 5.

> but the vast majority of apps on Android don't care what
> the version number is of the operating system (it's just a meaningless
> number to the app itself).

that's false.

> If the app doesn't need to log into a mothership, how is the app to even
> _know_ that it's an old app on an old operating system?

the app can easily check the os version, but a more reliable method is
to check specifically for the presence of the apis and functionality it
needs.

> For all the app knows, if it doesn't need to log into the mothership, is
> that it's still stuck in 2010 as nothing else on the iPad should have
> changed since then.

the mothership is irrelevant.

if an app tries to connect to a external service, such as a bank, and
the bank wants a more recent version of the app, it's not going to
work.

> > they are limited in what they can do because nearly all new apps
> > require newer ios/android versions and newer hardware.
>
> This may be true for the iOS apps but it's not even close to true for
> Android apps. On Android, almost all your old apps _still_ work fine,
> particularly without any Google Account being needed for Android.

not only is it true for android, but it's true for all platforms.

the old apps will continue to work, just as they did a decade ago.

as noted above, the problem is when they connect to external services,
at which point there is very likely to be problems.

> The app that doesn't log into _anything_ doesn't even _know_ it's an "old"
> app on an old Android for heaven's sake.

except that most apps *do* connect to something.

very few apps are fully self-contained anymore.

> >> Given those facts above, and given Apple won't let her log into the iCloud,
> >
> > yes they will.
> >
> > yet another example of the blind leading the blind.
>
> In this case she's an old lady who is not in the least technical, and,
> unfortunately, she confuses her google account with her icloud account
> (given they're the same address). So it's difficult to help her, I agree.
>
> Still... all she wants is for her iPad to work as it did in 2010.

that ipad does work as it did in 2010.

the problem is that it's now 2022 and the world expects significantly
more functionality.

> Had this been a 2010 Android, the apps would almost all work just fine.

that is false.

> Even had this been a 2010 Windows 7, the apps would almost all work fine.

that is also false. many windows apps require at least win 7, with
quite a few apps requiring win 10.

> It's only iOS which kills the apps if Apple wants to claim the iPad too old.
> And even then, it's likely _because_ Apple forces a mothership account.

nothing is being killed and 'a mothership account' is irrelevant.

> If Apple did not force a mothership account onto all its iPads, would she be
> having this problem? I think not.

you think wrong. some would say not at all.

> Nonetheless, the problem exists. For billions of people it exists.
> The question is what can she do that's useful with her expensive iPad?

no, not for billions.

the original ipad sold in the millions, nearly all of which have been
replaced by newer ipads.

very, very few people want to use an original ipad in 2022.

> >> what options does she have just to use this older iPad which she owns?
> >
> > she can use it all she wants. apple doesn't care.
> > it's not as capable as a more recent model, but that's to be expected.
>
> I suggested she load a kitchen-clock app to at least turn her expensive iPad
> into a kitchen clock. Do you know of a kitchen clock app that she can
> download today on the Apple App Store that will work with her iOS version?

there's this thing called a search engine. perhaps you've heard of it.
perhaps not.

the problem is that it's going to be very, very difficult to find apps
that support ios 5 anymore.

> >> Apple doesn't own this device. She owns it.
> >
> > correct. that is not in dispute.
>
> I also suggested she try to just use the old iPad as a web browser only
> (since she said "Google Works" (whatever that means to her).

that likely means she can access google in a browser.

unfortunately, that will have its own set of issues since browsers that
run on it are 10 years old and many sites require something more recent
for security concerns, notably banks.

some sites will work, but definitely not all.

another problem is that many sites expect a device with more
performance, so the the browsing experience is likely to be slow.

> But it might be more useful as a speakerphone to her, I would think.

assuming she has a voip app that runs.

> >> Apple wants to kill it. I get that.
> >
> > nope. apple does not want to kill it, nor could they kill it even if
> > they did want that, which they do not.
>
> Given she has many iPads (most of course newer than this one) she's the one
> telling me that this older iPad won't do anywhere near what it used to do.

it does exactly what it used to do.

but if she has other ipads, then why even bother.

> As always with iPads, I'm just trying to find something _useful_ that it can
> do.

the most useful thing it can do is to smack you in the face.

it's very solid, so multiple smacks can be done.

best to use the back so that the glass doesn't shatter, but then again,
broken glass could cut, so perhaps the glass side would be preferable.

> All I'm trying to do to help her is find _one_ app that we can turn that
> iPad into that does something useful for an old lady who stays at home.

the video and music apps will work.

tell her to download some porn. old ladies don't get much love.

> For example, if you know of how she can load a kitchen-clock app that works
> with that iPad, that would be helpful from you.

search for it in the store, but it's virtually guaranteed that anything
that shows up will require something more recent than ios 5.

[Bob Campbell]

Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
> An older friend of mine has two old Apple iOS devices which, if they were

Isn’t just AMAZING how Arlen has SO many friends with iPads and iPhones AND
none them can do simple things with them?

THEN, they all contact Arlen - a known Apple hater - for advice? 🙄

[Andy Burnelli]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 10:44:52 -0600, Bob Campbell wrote:

> Isn┤ just AMAZING how Arlen has SO many friends with iPads and iPhones AND

> none them can do simple things with them?

Why don't you back up that claim of imaginary iOS functionality Alan Baker?
*Name just one*

If this were an Android device just as old, there would be thousands of apps
which would work. On iOS, she can't find even one that works with her iPad.

So tell us Alan, what App Store URL should we suggest to her that works?
*Name just one*

On the App Store at this moment, name even a _single_ app that this iPad
owner can download that will work on her version of iOS (which Apple
unilaterally crippled almost beyond use, not her - but Apple did that).
*Name just one*

[Andy Burnelli]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:23:43 -0500, nospam wrote:

> irrelevant. it's a 12 year old ipad, regardless of who she is or what
> she does.

If this were _any_ other common consumer operating system other than iOS,
there would be _thousands_ of apps which would keep the device being useful.

All we want for this woman is for someone who knows more than I to name it.
*Name just one*

> old products become obsolete. it's that simple.

The fact remains if it were a 12 year old (anything but iOS), there would
still be _thousands_ of free apps that would still work - as it's only Apple
that cripples your huge investment in iOS devices after only a few years.

If you can't even name _one_ useful free app for her, then you're proving my
point Apple has unilaterally destroyed the utility of her expensive iPad.
*Name just one*

> some apps might not work because they rely on external services that no
> longer exist or require security protocols that a device that old does
> not support, because ten years ago, they didn't exist.

I suggested she turn her expensive iPad into a permanent kitchen clock.

Are you claiming that she can't even turn her investment in expensive Apple
devices into something as simple and yet useful as a kitchen clock nospam?

If not, then name an app that she can put on that iPad that is useful.
*Name just one*

> banks in particular are very aggressive in requiring the latest apps
> and operating systems.

Are you claiming that she can't even turn that expensive investment into
something useful when _any_ other device would be able to run a clock app?

If you claim that Apple did not unilaterally destroy her iPad investment
*Name just one*

> modern apps won't run because they require something much newer than
> ios 5.

Either Apple is unilaterally destroying her expensive investment, or not.

If Apple hasn't destroyed her expensive investment, then at least she can
turn that expensive (supposedly "smart") iPad into a dumb kitchen clock.

If an expensive iPad can't even do that, then you make my point for me.

Hence, all I ask of you is name an app that she can put on it that's useful.
*Name just one*

> not only is it true for android, but it's true for all platforms.

Are you seriously claiming that a 12-year old Android can't run a kitchen
clock app nospam? Really? You're _that_ desperate to absolve Apple?

Are you seriously claiming that a 12-year old Windows PC can't run a kitchen
clock app nospam? How _desperate_ are you to excuse Apple.

If you can't name even a _single_ useful app that she can install, then all
you're doing is proving me right that Apple _destroyed_ her expensive iPad.
*Name just one*

> the problem is that it's now 2022 and the world expects significantly
> more functionality.

Are you seriously claiming that a dumb kitchen clock is _too significant_ of
a functionality for her expensive iPad to perform in the year 2022?

If it's true, as you claim, Apple has not destroyed her investment, then
*Name just one*

> the problem is that it's going to be very, very difficult to find apps
> that support ios 5 anymore.

If this were _any_ other operating system other than iOS, it wouldn't be.
Apple has unilaterally destroyed her expensive investment over time.

All we ask of you is to name just one useful functionality for that iPad.
*Name just one*

[sms]

Our favorite troll seems to delight in finding things that iOS doesn't
support or allow and concentrate on those things.
It reminds me of the old joke:

Patient: "Doctor,it hurts when I do this."
Doctor: "Then don't do that."

OTOH, it is true that there are, and have been, a fair number of
applications that are not possible on iOS, but that can be accomplished
on Android. But by the same token, there are a few things not possible
on Android that are possible on iOS.

[nospam]

In article <srpo3t$89o$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> OTOH, it is true that there are, and have been, a fair number of
> applications that are not possible on iOS, but that can be accomplished
> on Android.

very few, and very niche, such as nmea.

> But by the same token, there are a few things not possible
> on Android that are possible on iOS.

actually, there are *many* things possible on ios that are not possible
on android, or at best, very difficult, for both users and developers.

[nospam]

In article <srpm55$1gq6$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

<sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 10:44:52 -0600, Bob Campbell wrote:
>
> > Isn┤ just AMAZING how Arlen has SO many friends with iPads and iPhones AND
> > none them can do simple things with them?
>
> Why don't you back up that claim of imaginary iOS functionality Alan Baker?
> *Name just one*

how to say 'i am stupid' without actually saying those words.

learn to read and fix your buggy scripts.

> If this were an Android device just as old, there would be thousands of apps
> which would work. On iOS, she can't find even one that works with her iPad.

no there wouldn't.

first of all, there weren't any android tablets 12 years ago so the
number of android tablet apps is *zero*.

second, android eclair was current 12 years ago, although not dominant.

most people were using donut, maybe even cupcake. froyo was released in
mid-2010 and took a long time to become more common than eclair (or
donut). honeycomb was the first tablet version of android, which didn't
work that well.

try finding an android app today on the play store that works on donut.
good luck.

one of the first android tablets was the motorola xoom, released about
a year after the original ipad. good luck finding *anything* that runs
on that. good luck finding one that even works at all. they were junk.

another tablet from back then was the hp touchpad. it was a market
failure, with the remaining stock being sold off on ebay at $100 each,
and even that was not a good deal.

and who could forget the blackberry playbook, which did not even have
its own email app.

<https://www.businessinsider.com/email-on-blackberry-playbook-2011-6>
Turns out it had to skip native email support on the PlayBook because
its architecture can't support two devices with one person's account,
according to a source.

[nospam]

In article <srpmvp$1uut$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

<sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> If this were _any_ other common consumer operating system other than iOS,
> there would be _thousands_ of apps which would keep the device being useful.

there are hundreds of thousands of ipad apps that could be used.

they're just no longer available on the app store because ios 5 is *12*
*years* *old*.

those who chose to keep those apps, as you do with android apps, can
still use them.

try finding a new android app today that works on donut, which was what
was most commonly used 12 years ago. eclair was current but it didn't
eclipse donut (or cupcake) at that time.

> All we want for this woman is for someone who knows more than I

that's easy.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:54:39 -0500, nospam wrote:

> there are hundreds of thousands of ipad apps that could be used.

FACT:
You've fabricated purely imaginary iOS functionality in the past, nospam.

ASSESSMENT:
You're _desperate_ to excuse flaws that are _only_ in Apple devices, nospam.

Adults never disagree on facts (only idiots do that); but adults can
reasonably disagree on the assessments of those facts.

So here's a chance for you to prove that my assessment is wrong, nospam.
*Name Just One*

If her expensive Apple investment can do something even _that_ simple:
*Name Just One*

> they're just no longer available on the app store because ios 5 is *12*
> *years* *old*.

You can make all the excuses you want for why it's _only_ Apple devices
which are so crippled they can't even run a kitchen clock app over time.

The fact remains if this was any other investment _other_ than in Apple
equipment, the expensive device would be able to run a kitchen clock app.

If you claim that it can run something that simple, all you have to do is
*Name Just One*

[Andy Burnelli]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:54:38 -0500, nospam wrote:

> how to say 'i am stupid' without actually saying those words.
>
> learn to read and fix your buggy scripts.

FACT:
I'm asking for just one URL to just one useful iOS app for an old iPad.

ASSESSMENT:
You are so desperate to excuse Apple's flaws that you resort to attacks.

No intelligent adult disagrees with the facts (only idiots do that); but
what you can reasonably disagree with is my assessment of those facts.

FACT:
Nobody has provided a URL to something even as trivial as a dumb kitchen
clock app that this old lady can install onto her expensive iPad so that it
does something useful.

ASSESSMENT:
???

You tell us how we should assess that fact.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 09:39:07 -0800, sms wrote:

> Our favorite troll seems to delight in finding things that iOS doesn't
> support or allow and concentrate on those things.

Steve,

Stop proving you own the brain of a small child.
Just stop it.

I don't expect the others to understand anything about iOS but I would have
expected that you, of all people, would know at least _something_ about iOS.

All I'm asking for is a URL to an app that is useful on an old iOS 5.x iPad.

If all you can do is make childish jokes about that request, then that says
nothing about me - it says _everything_ about you Steve. Not me.

> It reminds me of the old joke:
>
> Patient: "Doctor,it hurts when I do this."
> Doctor: "Then don't do that."

Steve: If you know absolutely nothing about iOS, then stop proving it.

You know I can back up every statement I make where I can ask this old lady
to provide me a photo of that old iPad in any situation you want me to.

So stop proving you're a small child who can only make kindergarten jokes.

I'm asking for her a question which is a valid question of these newsgroups.
All I want to tell her is an App Store URL to an app that will do something
useful.

If you don't know anything about iOS, why must you insist on proving that?

> OTOH, it is true that there are, and have been, a fair number of
> applications that are not possible on iOS, but that can be accomplished
> on Android. But by the same token, there are a few things not possible
> on Android that are possible on iOS.

*Name Just One*

Since you _knew_ I would ask that of anyone who makes such a blanket
statement, I'm asking you to name just one app in the iOS App Store today
that can act like a kitchen clock app, all by its itty bitty self, for this
12 year old investment in Apple equipment, where that app doesn't need to
interact with a second computer or additional bloatware or the cloud.

*Name Just One*

[Andy Burnelli]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:54:36 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> OTOH, it is true that there are, and have been, a fair number of
>> applications that are not possible on iOS, but that can be accomplished
>> on Android.
>
> very few, and very niche, such as nmea.

It's a valid question of what useful functionality an old iPad can do.

FACT:
Nobody yet has suggested even one URL to an app she can use to get her
investment in Apple equipment to do something even as simple as a clock.

ASSESSMENT:
???

Note that _every_ other common platform would still be functional.

>> But by the same token, there are a few things not possible
>> on Android that are possible on iOS.
>
> actually, there are *many* things possible on ios that are not possible
> on android, or at best, very difficult, for both users and developers.

*Name Just One*

That is, name just one URL to existing App Store functionality that people
would want which is functionality (not brand names or trademarks) the device
has (all by its itty bitty self) that you claim (aka fabricate?)
is on the iOS App Store but not already (usually long ago) on Android.

*Name Just One*

[Lewis]

It's a common tactic among trolls,and if you pay attention you will see
that sms does almost exactly the same thing (ie, make up stories about
friends so they can complain about meaningless "issues").



--
The Earth is like a tiny grain of sand, only much, much heavier.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 20:52:43 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

> It's a common tactic among trolls,and if you pay attention you will see
> that sms does almost exactly the same thing (ie, make up stories about
> friends so they can complain about meaningless "issues").

It's a valid question whether or not Lewis _hates_ any iOS question that he
doesn't happen to know the answer to (even a simple question like this one).

I already said all you have to do is tell me how you want this older iPad
pictured and I'll be glad to ask the lady to take a picture of that for us.

The question is relevant to _anyone_ who invested money in Apple equipment.
So far nobody knows iOS well enough to answer even this simple question.

*What one app can we put on an older iPad so that iOS can have _some_ value?*

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-01-13, Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:54:38 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> how to say 'i am stupid' without actually saying those words.
>>
>> learn to read and fix your buggy scripts.
>

> I'm asking for just one URL to just one useful iOS app for an old iPad.

My old iPads run apps like Mail, Safari, Contacts, Reminders, Notes,
games like Settlers of Catan, and so on without issue. You want to
ignore those though in order to troll. So you'll claim "those aren't
useful" or some other such complete nonsense, because you're not here to
learn anything or help anyone - you are here just to troll. You suck as
a human being, Arlen. You have no life outside of trolling, which is
evidenced by the fact that you spend literal *hours* of your time each
day posting lame-ass trolls to the Apple newsgroups. You're fucking
pathetic.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-01-13, Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>

> you own the brain of a small child.

Fuck off, Arlen.
All you do here is troll, you pathetic loser.

[Chris]

I just charged my original ipad. It's iOS 5.1.1 and the apps still work.
Including the App store. It isn't hard to find apps and I could install a
clock *if* MFA want enabled. That old an iOS isn't compatible with MFA so
won't get any further.

If you want to blame anyone for not supporting old iPads blame the
developers as the App Store is there and works.

As per usual "Arlen" is looking for an argument and posts false information
to do so.

[nospam]

In article <srra65$58l$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I just charged my original ipad. It's iOS 5.1.1 and the apps still work.
> Including the App store. It isn't hard to find apps and I could install a
> clock *if* MFA want enabled. That old an iOS isn't compatible with MFA so
> won't get any further.

it works if you append the 2fa code to the password.

> If you want to blame anyone for not supporting old iPads blame the
> developers as the App Store is there and works.

developers do not care about 12 year old ipads. nor do users. the
number of 12 year old ipads still in use is almost none, which is why
developers do not care.

> As per usual "Arlen" is looking for an argument and posts false information
> to do so.

yep.

[Andy Burnelli]

On 14 Jan 2022 00:14:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> My old iPads run apps like Mail, Safari, Contacts, Reminders, Notes,
> games like Settlers of Catan, and so on without issue. You want to
> ignore those though in order to troll. So you'll claim "those aren't
> useful" or some other such complete nonsense, because you're not here to
> learn anything or help anyone - you are here just to troll. You suck as
> a human being, Arlen. You have no life outside of trolling, which is
> evidenced by the fact that you spend literal *hours* of your time each
> day posting lame-ass trolls to the Apple newsgroups. You're fucking
> pathetic.

It's beyond ridiculous your incessant childish dancing around the question.
*The perfectly valid question remains unanswered* (despite your dances)...

What current App Store App URL will add "something useful" to this old iPad?
*Name Just One*

You don't have to ridiculously dance around the facts below, Jolly Roger.
A. I get that you _hate_ that the older iPad is literally crippled by Apple.
B. I get it you _hate_ anyone who asks for a single useful App Store App.
C. I get it you _hate_ everything about Apple crippling older iPads, JR.

From your endless dance, it's clear you _hate_ Apple products, Jolly Roger.
You dance endlessly; yet you never come up with even _one_ App Store URL.

FACT:
a. The question is valid.
b. The goal is an App Store URL to a current app that is useful
c. That app has to make an older iPad do "something useful"

If I didn't already know how _crippled_ iOS is, I'd be shocked that all this
talk by you, Jolly Roger, and yet not a single _URL_ ever shows up from you.
*Not even one*

The perfectly valid question remains unanswered (despite your dances)...

What current App Store App URL will add "something useful" to this old iPad?
*Name Just One*

[Andy Burnelli]

On 14 Jan 2022 00:16:24 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Fuck off

Your _hatred_ for Apple's flaws is eminently evident, Jolly Roger.

I get it that you _hate_ simple questions about Apple products, Jolly Roger.
I get it that you _hate_ facts that Apple crippled all the older iPads, JR.
I get it you react like a fifth-grader because you _hate_ what Apple is, JR.

But...
The perfectly valid question remains unanswered (despite your Apple hatred).

[Andy Burnelli]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 07:53:41 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

> I just charged my original ipad. It's iOS 5.1.1 and the apps still work.
> Including the App store. It isn't hard to find apps and I could install a
> clock *if* MFA want enabled. That old an iOS isn't compatible with MFA so
> won't get any further.
>
> If you want to blame anyone for not supporting old iPads blame the
> developers as the App Store is there and works.
>
> As per usual "Arlen" is looking for an argument and posts false information
> to do so.

Name a single fact you claim I posted that is "false information" Chris.
*Name Just One*

Moving forward on what Chris "claims" above (sans a single backup fact)...

If what Chris claims is true, and I have no reason to disbelieve Chris since
he has what I consider almost an average level of intelligence, then Chris
can _name_ a single App Store URL that I can provide to this old lady.

*Name Just One*

Without that App Store URL, Chris is not answering the question asked.
*Name Just One*
--
BTW, I know exactly why Chris didn't name just one as it's the only question
you ever need to ask a bullshitter to prove that they spout pure bullshit.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 03:16:57 -0500, nospam wrote:

> developers do not care about 12 year old ipads. nor do users. the
> number of 12 year old ipads still in use is almost none, which is why
> developers do not care.

FACT:
If this were _any_ other decade-old device - useful apps would still exist.

ASSESSMENT:
Only Apple cripples old products in a unilateral goal to decrease its value.

FACT:
a. I asked a simple question of functionality for an older iPad
b. That older iPad is stuck by Apple on an older version of iOS
c. Nobody has produced even a _single_ URL to an app that will work.

All that is being asked is a URL to "something useful" for that iPad.
*Name just one*

ASSESSMENT:
A. You Apple apologists appear to _hate_ that Apple crippled this iPad.
B. Since you can't find even a _single_ useful functionality for it.
C. All you _can_ do, is dance like a kindergarten child on a calculus test.

The question remains valid no matter how much you apologists _hate_ facts.

Name just one URL to just one App Store app that will make this iPad useful.
*Name Just One*

[nospam]

In article <srs9te$1eoi$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

<sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> If this were _any_ other decade-old device - useful apps would still exist.

useful ios apps *do* exist. you just are incapable of finding them.

any other decade-old device would also have problems in finding apps,
if not more so.

there weren't any android tablet native apps in 2010 since there were
no android tablets at that time.

the motorola xoom, one of the first android tablets and released about
a year after the ipad, had limited support. some android phone apps
worked to a certain extent, but many did not because they weren't
designed for a larger display. the few that did had a lot of empty
space and visually ugly. there were almost no android tablet native
apps and still to this day, relatively few.

the hp touchpad and blackberry playbook are both very dead.

> Only Apple cripples old products in a unilateral goal to decrease its value.

nothing has been crippled.

except your brain, something which happened long ago, likely at birth.

unfortunately for you, your brain cannot be upgraded to one that's more
capable. you're forever stuck being stupid.

[Chris]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <srra65$58l$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I just charged my original ipad. It's iOS 5.1.1 and the apps still work.
>> Including the App store. It isn't hard to find apps and I could install a
>> clock *if* MFA want enabled. That old an iOS isn't compatible with MFA so
>> won't get any further.
>
> it works if you append the 2fa code to the password.

Clever! App install was attempted but required iOS 8 :(

[Chris]

Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 07:53:41 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>
>> I just charged my original ipad. It's iOS 5.1.1 and the apps still work.
>> Including the App store. It isn't hard to find apps and I could install a
>> clock *if* MFA want enabled. That old an iOS isn't compatible with MFA so
>> won't get any further.
>>
>> If you want to blame anyone for not supporting old iPads blame the
>> developers as the App Store is there and works.
>>
>> As per usual "Arlen" is looking for an argument and posts false information
>> to do so.
>
> Name a single fact you claim I posted that is "false information" Chris.
> *Name Just One*

Easy. Here's two:

> Yet, Apple, in its infinitely despicable customer unfriendly greed, has
> essentially unilaterally killed each of her two older Apple devices.

Apple hasn't killed anything. An original iPad will still work, including
the AppStore.

> She called me for advice on how to load software onto her iOS 5.1.1 circa
> 2010 Model MC497LL iPad because she says everything unilaterally no longer works.

I tried a few apps and all of them on my iPad still work. Very slowly,
mind, but they get there in the end. This includes the stock apps like
Safari, Maps, AppStore, Notes and iBooks.

> Moving forward on what Chris "claims" above (sans a single backup fact)...
>
> If what Chris claims is true, and I have no reason to disbelieve Chris since
> he has what I consider almost an average level of intelligence, then Chris
> can _name_ a single App Store URL that I can provide to this old lady.
>
> *Name Just One*
>
> Without that App Store URL, Chris is not answering the question asked.
> *Name Just One*

sigh...

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/a-crossword-search-tool/id433062734?uo=4

Just installed it on my ipad.

If you simply googled rather than ranted and raved you'd find the websites
that have catalogued apps still available for iOS 5.

Plus you wouldn't keep showing yourself up.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-01-14, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just charged my original ipad. It's iOS 5.1.1 and the apps still
> work.

Same here with our 1st generation iPad and iPad 2. All of the apps
installed on it work fine (albeit naturally slowly by today's
standards). The notable and reasonable exception is some apps that
communicate with online servers now require newer versions of those apps
and the developers of those apps (not Apple) have dropped support for
older devices.

> Including the App store. It isn't hard to find apps and I could
> install a clock *if* MFA want enabled. That old an iOS isn't
> compatible with MFA so won't get any further.
>
> If you want to blame anyone for not supporting old iPads blame the
> developers as the App Store is there and works.

Yep. To wit, we keep one of our old iPads in the living room
specifically to play games, including Settlers of Catan - an app that
was first released 12 years ago and is still regularly updated by the
app developer (the last update was on Sep 23, 2020), and supports and
works just fine on these ancient devices:

<https://fnd.io/#/us/search?mediaType=all&term=settlers%20of%20catan>

The fact is Apple has no say regarding how long app developers will
support older devices - that is a decision that is left solely up to
individual app developers.

> As per usual "Arlen" is looking for an argument and posts false
> information to do so.

His trolls are just pathetic, and are easily debunked by anyone who
knows anything.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-01-14, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <srra65$58l$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I just charged my original ipad. It's iOS 5.1.1 and the apps still
>> work. Including the App store. It isn't hard to find apps and I
>> could install a clock *if* MFA want enabled. That old an iOS isn't
>> compatible with MFA so won't get any further.
>
> it works if you append the 2fa code to the password.

Yep, and this is the case with any older model Apple mobile device.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-01-14, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Now he's move the goal post and troll about other things, probably while
insulting you and anyone else participating in the thread. ; )

> If you simply googled rather than ranted and raved you'd find the websites
> that have catalogued apps still available for iOS 5.

He's not interested in actual answers or actually helping his supposed
"friend" with her old iPads.

> Plus you wouldn't keep showing yourself up.

He can't help himself due to his insane obsession with Apple.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-01-14, Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2022 00:14:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> My old iPads run apps like Mail, Safari, Contacts, Reminders, Notes,
>> games like Settlers of Catan, and so on without issue. You want to
>> ignore those though in order to troll. So you'll claim "those aren't
>> useful" or some other such complete nonsense, because you're not here
>> to learn anything or help anyone - you are here just to troll. You
>> suck as a human being, Arlen. You have no life outside of trolling,
>> which is evidenced by the fact that you spend literal *hours* of your
>> time each day posting lame-ass trolls to the Apple newsgroups. You're
>> fucking pathetic.
>

> My lame trolls are beyond ridiculous

FTFY

> your incessant childish dancing around

Projection.

> What current App Store App URL will add "something useful" to this old
> iPad? *Name Just One*

Multiple apps have already been named elsewhere in this thread:

<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/a-crossword-search-tool/id433062734?uo=4>

<https://fnd.io/#/us/iphone-app/335029050-catan-classic-by-usm>

> *Name Just One*

There are plenty.

Now fuck off, old fart. You're outmatched and outsmarted here.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 18:02:02 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

>>> I just charged my original ipad. It's iOS 5.1.1 and the apps still work.
>>> Including the App store. It isn't hard to find apps and I could install a
>>> clock *if* MFA want enabled. That old an iOS isn't compatible with MFA so
>>> won't get any further.
>>
>> it works if you append the 2fa code to the password.
>
> Clever! App install was attempted but required iOS 8 :(

Thank you Chris for being a sincerely helpful adult (a rarity on this ng).

I shouldn't have been so deprecating to Chris, who, admittedly, is worlds
above the three die-hard Apple kooks (Jolly Roger, Lewis, & nospam).

Jolly Roger, Lewis and nospam are fathomless despicably heartless people;
but Chris is actually trying which means his heart isn't cold as theirs is.

While Jolly Roger, true to form, proposed kindergarten apps, and while
nospam simply boasted emptily about his always fabricated imaginary iOS
functionality, at least Chris did the right thing, which was to _attempt_ to
load something (anything!) useful onto an iPad that Apple has destroyed.

I don't want to send this old lady on a doomed-to-failure wild goose chase
even as the three staunchest Apple kooks always send innocents that way.

Hence I wish to openly say that I do very much _appreciate_ that Chris is
trying to find something (anything) that can be loaded onto an iPad that
will turn what Apple wishes so badly to be worthless, into something useful.

Thank you Chris, for trying to load something (anything) onto that iPad.

If you ever do find something (anything) useful to add to that iPad, I will
let this lady know a URL to that App Store app (she's on 5.1.1 by the way).

[Andy Burnelli]

On 14 Jan 2022 18:42:51 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> it works if you append the 2fa code to the password.
>
> Yep, and this is the case with any older model Apple mobile device.

The only person who posted to this thread from the Apple quarter who wasn't
a heartlessly despicably liar is Chris, who is faithfully _trying_
desperately to load something (anything!) onto his older iPad, in order to
find something (anything!) to undo what Apple did to this older iPad.

So far, based on what I've seen anyway, Chris has failed - but I do want to
thank Chris for at least trying to solve this, a rather simple problem set.

If this were _any_ other platform but iOS, we wouldn't have this problem.

And if this were any other OS newsgroup but an Apple one, we wouldn't have
these despicably heartless people like Jolly Roger, Lewis and nospam
constantly fabricating imaginary functionality because they _hate_ Apple.

I openly commend Chris for _trying_ to solve this, a very common and obvious
problem where Apple has unilaterally _destroyed_ our investments in iOS.

I, for one, will rejoice if Chris can solve this problem because I don't
want to force the bullshit the heartless Apple apologists have been spewing
upon her (e.g., Jolly Roger and nospam fabricate wild-goose chase apps).

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-01-15, Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2022 18:42:51 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> it works if you append the 2fa code to the password.
>>
>> Yep, and this is the case with any older model Apple mobile device.
>
> The only person who posted to this thread from the Apple quarter who
> wasn't a heartlessly despicably liar is Chris, who is faithfully
> _trying_ desperately to load something (anything!) onto his older
> iPad, in order to find something (anything!) to undo what Apple did to
> this older iPad.

Liar. Chris already said he has plenty of apps that run fine:

In article <srra65$58l$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I just charged my original ipad. It's iOS 5.1.1 and the apps still
> work. Including the App store. It isn't hard to find apps

> So far, based on what I've seen anyway, Chris has failed

Liar. Chris reported that the apps the original iPad still work, and
anyone with one knows this from first-hand experience. So you're not
fooling anyone who knows better, loser..

> If this were _any_ other platform but iOS, we wouldn't have this
> problem.

The only "problem" is in your warped imagination.

> despicably heartless people like Jolly Roger, Lewis and nospam

Ad hominem is all you have, trollboi.

[Andy Burnelli]

On 14 Jan 2022 18:46:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> Just installed it on my ipad.
>
> Now he's move the goal post and troll about other things, probably while
> insulting you and anyone else participating in the thread. ; )

I find it poignant (given Jolly Roger failed to earn his GED three times!)
that Jolly Roger can't comprehend a simple "goal post" in the subject line.
*How do you download a single useful app to an older iPad model MC497LL*

Worse than Jolly Roger's pitifully low IQ in not comprehending what is in
the subject line of _every_ post on this thread, is his cruelty to people.

Chris is at least _trying_ to resolve the stated problem set, which is real,
and which I can't easily test myself since my iPads are on iOS 11 or so.

I'm hoping we can find _one_ app (e.g., a kitchen clock app perhaps?) that
she can download and install onto her older iPad to make it useful again.

The only one who even _understood_ the problem set, was Chris, by the way.

The difference between the despicably heartless fundamentally cruel trio
(Jolly Roger, Lewis & nospam) and someone like Chris is monumental indeed.

I have commended Chris for being the _only_ person on this newsgroup who
tried to solve this problem of trying to turn an older iPad into something
(anything!) useful that an old lady with plenty of other iPads, can do.

Tomorrow I will call her and try to see if she can find something
(anything!) useful that she can turn her iPad into based in the URL of

>> If you simply googled rather than ranted and raved you'd find the websites
>> that have catalogued apps still available for iOS 5.
>
> He's not interested in actual answers or actually helping his supposed
> "friend" with her old iPads.

Given Jolly Roger couldn't even pass three high school GED tests, I'm not
surprised that Jolly Roger is incapable of comprehending the subject line:
*How do you download a single useful app to an older iPad model MC497LL*

Chris at least understood that this woman has _plenty_ of iPads, which is
why this older iPad has lain fallow for so long, gathering up dust.

All she wants to do is turn that older iPad into something (anything!)
useful, where a single-use purpose (such as a kitchen clock) would work.

The problem, so far, is that the _only_ apps suggested are so childish that
to even _discuss_ them (a crossword puzzle tool? WTF?) would be a disgrace.

If all you _can_ do on your iPad is play silly kindergarten games, then you
_deserve_ Apple gouging your eyes out, Jolly Roger - but I don't believe
that we can't find at least one app that can turn her iPad into something
useful.

There must be at least one app on the current App Store that she can
download today that can turn her older iPad into something actually useful.

>
>> Plus you wouldn't keep showing yourself up.
>
> He can't help himself due to his insane obsession with Apple.

I find it interesting that you consider the truth about Apple to be insane.
Every time you post, it shows how _your_ brain works, JR... not mine.

[Andy Burnelli]

On 15 Jan 2022 04:22:05 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Liar. Chris already said he has plenty of apps that run fine.

I don't plonk you Jolly Roger because I learn from you given you're the
lowest common denominator on this heartless and rather ignorant newsgroup.

Chris is the _only_ one (so far) who is (a) not heartless, and more
importantly (b) trying to help solve this rather common problem set.

I assume Chris may even have an intelligence somewhat approaching average,
which, as you must be aware by now, is a rarity on this newsgroup for sure.

>> I just charged my original ipad. It's iOS 5.1.1 and the apps still
>> work. Including the App store. It isn't hard to find apps
>
>> So far, based on what I've seen anyway, Chris has failed
>
> Liar. Chris reported that the apps the original iPad still work, and
> anyone with one knows this from first-hand experience. So you're not
> fooling anyone who knows better, loser..

I think I need to be more gentle with people like you, Jolly Roger, who
admitted you failed your GED test three times until you finally gave up.

Being gentle with you I will explain, oh so very gently, that this old lady
has _plenty_ of iPads, where this one particular iPad has frustrated her for
so many years that it has been lying fallow since it can't load new apps.

Continuing to be intellectually gentle with you, Jolly Roger, I'll further
explain given she has plenty of iPads, our quest is, was, and always will be
to turn this older iPad into something useful as a single-purpose device.

An Apple clock, for example, would make this expensive iPad useful again.

Chris has not (to my knowledge), despite his apparently heroic efforts,
found that simple kitchen-clock app that would make this iPad useful again.

>
>> If this were _any_ other platform but iOS, we wouldn't have this
>> problem.
>
> The only "problem" is in your warped imagination.

While anyone of even average intelligence needs to be intellectually gentle
with you, Jolly Roger, what you always exhibit in _all_ your lambasts are:
a. An IQ that is beyond disbelief
b. A childish vindictive streak that is beyond disbelief
c. A misunderstanding of the stated problem set that is beyond disbelief

If this were _any_ other device - we wouldn't be having this problem.
A. A ten-year old Windows PC can still load apps that make it useful.
B. A ten-year old Linux desktop can still load apps that make it useful.
C. A ten-year old Android tablet can still load apps that make it useful.

All we're trying here to do, desperately so based on Chris' helpful heroics,
is find something (anything!) useful to turn this iPad into.

A kitchen clock would be nice.

>
>> despicably heartless people like Jolly Roger, Lewis and nospam
>
> Ad hominem is all you have, trollboi.

It's interesting you don't see yourself in every post you make, Jolly Roger.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-01-15, Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> On 14 Jan 2022 18:46:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Just installed it on my ipad.
>>
>> Now he's move the goal post and troll about other things, probably
>> while insulting you and anyone else participating in the thread. ; )
>

> Jolly Roger failed to earn his GED three times!

LOL! So what's my name, Arlen? Don't be a chickenshit pussy. Go ahead
and tell everyone who you think I am, trollboi... if you can!

Insults are the last resort of the weak minded when they feel powerless.
And you've shown how powerless you truly are in this thread, where
multiple people have shown you to be completely full of shit.

[Andy Burnelli]

On 14 Jan 2022 18:41:56 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Same here with our 1st generation iPad and iPad 2. All of the apps
> installed on it work fine (albeit naturally slowly by today's
> standards). The notable and reasonable exception is some apps that
> communicate with online servers now require newer versions of those apps
> and the developers of those apps (not Apple) have dropped support for
> older devices.

A kitchen-clock app would be nice.

I guess I need to state again what is obvious from the start but which
people like Jolly Roger (who doesn't even have a high school GED) can't
fathom which is she has _plenty_ of iPads which are on the current iOS.

She wants to install a _new_ app onto that older iPad.

I guess I need to better understand low IQ people even given that this is in
inherent in the SUBJECT line of this thread, but Jolly Roger missed it.
*How do you download a single useful app to an older iPad model MC497LL*

The problem with _this_ iPad is that it is unilaterally destroyed by Apple
such that she can't load a _useful_ app onto it that will make her
investment into something (anything) useful as a single-use item for her.

A kitchen clock would be nice.

>> Including the App store. It isn't hard to find apps and I could
>> install a clock *if* MFA want enabled. That old an iOS isn't
>> compatible with MFA so won't get any further.
>>
>> If you want to blame anyone for not supporting old iPads blame the
>> developers as the App Store is there and works.
>
> Yep. To wit, we keep one of our old iPads in the living room
> specifically to play games, including Settlers of Catan - an app that
> was first released 12 years ago and is still regularly updated by the
> app developer (the last update was on Sep 23, 2020), and supports and
> works just fine on these ancient devices:
> <https://fnd.io/#/us/search?mediaType=all&term=settlers%20of%20catan>

I think I need to be more gentle with people of such low IQ as Jolly Roger
clearly is, in that I need to somehow let them know, gently so, that not
everyone only plays kindergarten games on their mobile devices like he does.

Our simple goal is, was, and always will be for this thread, is to find at
least one useful app to load onto this older iPad to make it useful again.

A kitchen-clock app would be nice.

> The fact is Apple has no say regarding how long app developers will
> support older devices - that is a decision that is left solely up to
> individual app developers.

My assessment may be discussed among intelligent adults, but the facts must
first be agreed upon by those intelligent adults (of which JR isn't one).

The facts are:
a. If this were a 10-year old Windows PC, it would load new useful apps.
b. If this were a 10-year old Linux PC, it would load new useful apps.
c. If this were a 10-year old Android tablet, it would load new useful apps.

Do you agree with those facts?
Note: Only idiots disagree with facts (that's why they're idiots after all).

The assessment question to ask is why is it _only_ a ten year old iOS device
where we can't find (yet) even a _single_ app to make it useful again?

A kitchen-clock app would be nice.

>
>> As per usual "Arlen" is looking for an argument and posts false
>> information to do so.
>
> His trolls are just pathetic, and are easily debunked by anyone who
> knows anything.

And yet you don't even _understand_ the problem set, even as the problem set
has been stated in the subject line of every single post JR responded to.
*How do you download a single useful app to an older iPad model MC497LL*

A kitchen clock app would be nice.

[Andy Burnelli]

On 15 Jan 2022 05:05:11 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> And you've shown how powerless you truly are in this thread, where
> multiple people have shown you to be completely full of shit.

Our simple goal is, was, and always will be for this thread, is to find at

least one useful app to load onto this older iPad to make it useful again.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-01-15, Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> On 15 Jan 2022 05:05:11 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> And you've shown how powerless you truly are in this thread, where
>> multiple people have shown you to be completely full of shit.
>

> My only goal is to troll.

Yes, we know, Arlen. We k now.

[Chris]

Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 18:02:02 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>
>>>> I just charged my original ipad. It's iOS 5.1.1 and the apps still work.
>>>> Including the App store. It isn't hard to find apps and I could install a
>>>> clock *if* MFA want enabled. That old an iOS isn't compatible with MFA so
>>>> won't get any further.
>>>
>>> it works if you append the 2fa code to the password.
>>
>> Clever! App install was attempted but required iOS 8 :(
>
> Thank you Chris for being a sincerely helpful adult (a rarity on this ng).
>
> I shouldn't have been so deprecating to Chris, who, admittedly, is worlds
> above the three die-hard Apple kooks (Jolly Roger, Lewis, & nospam).
>
> Jolly Roger, Lewis and nospam are fathomless despicably heartless people;
> but Chris is actually trying which means his heart isn't cold as theirs is.

Why do you do that? Reply to someone's post and then talk about them
without actually responding to contents of the post?

This isn't some kind of soapbox for you to preach your infinite wisdom*

*it isn't.

> While Jolly Roger, true to form, proposed kindergarten apps, and while
> nospam simply boasted emptily about his always fabricated imaginary iOS
> functionality, at least Chris did the right thing, which was to _attempt_ to
> load something (anything!) useful onto an iPad that Apple has destroyed.

There you go again, making false statements. The ipad isn't destroyed and
certainly not by Apple.

> I don't want to send this old lady on a doomed-to-failure wild goose chase
> even as the three staunchest Apple kooks always send innocents that way.

Always assuming there's even is an old lady. Seeing as you always provide
proof*, we can't trust just your word.

*almost never in fact

> Hence I wish to openly say that I do very much _appreciate_ that Chris is
> trying to find something (anything) that can be loaded onto an iPad that
> will turn what Apple wishes so badly to be worthless, into something useful.

Apple wishes nothing of the sort. Yet another false statement and further
proof of the whole point of this thread hiding behind a poor little old
lady.

> Thank you Chris, for trying to load something (anything) onto that iPad.

Despite your regular attacks on all of us, we do have shared interests. If
only you could stop with all the noise you generate.

> If you ever do find something (anything) useful to add to that iPad, I will
> let this lady know a URL to that App Store app (she's on 5.1.1 by the way).

I did, but no acknowledgment from you.

[Chris]

Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> The only one who even _understood_ the problem set, was Chris, by the way.

Everyone understood the problem. The majority of your OP was spent
attacking "despicable" Apple and lying about what can and can't be done.
Why is it any surprise to you that people responded to that?

> The problem, so far, is that the _only_ apps suggested are so childish that
> to even _discuss_ them (a crossword puzzle tool? WTF?) would be a disgrace.

You clearly stated you wanted *any* app. Stop being a spoilt little prick.

The problem is you don't ever genuinely want a solution.

> If all you _can_ do on your iPad is play silly kindergarten games, then you
> _deserve_ Apple gouging your eyes out, Jolly Roger - but I don't believe
> that we can't find at least one app that can turn her iPad into something
> useful.
>
> There must be at least one app on the current App Store that she can
> download today that can turn her older iPad into something actually useful.

I told you where to look. Why don't you try?

>>
>>> Plus you wouldn't keep showing yourself up.
>>
>> He can't help himself due to his insane obsession with Apple.
>
> I find it interesting that you consider the truth about Apple to be insane.

Let us know when you post some truths. Historically and given the hundreds
of posts per month you post on here anything that does end up being correct
I suspect is only through blind luck. Monkeys and shakespeare comes to
mind.

[nospam]

In article <srukk1$fqf$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>

wrote:

> Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >

> > ...

> The problem is you don't ever genuinely want a solution.

^this^

he rejects all solutions, even when they are explained in detail, so he
can rant.

[sms]

On 1/15/2022 6:10 AM, Chris wrote:

<snip>

> Let us know when you post some truths. Historically and given the hundreds
> of posts per month you post on here anything that does end up being correct
> I suspect is only through blind luck.

Harry/Arlen/Andy occasionally posts factual information, but it's become
rarer and rarer. I filtered him out again because his schtick is just
annoying. He used to be at about 30% accurate/70% inaccurate, but when
he fell to only about 10% factual that was enough for me to reactivate
the filter on his latest alias.

I've certainly criticized Apple in the past, but it's been when there's
some issue that actually exists and I always use references and
citations to ensure that our resident trolls can't dispute anything
(well they may still dispute it, I don't know, but at least no one
believes them when they can't back up what they post).

[nospam]

In article <srv0a2$280$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> > Let us know when you post some truths. Historically and given the hundreds
> > of posts per month you post on here anything that does end up being correct
> > I suspect is only through blind luck.
>
> Harry/Arlen/Andy occasionally posts factual information, but it's become
> rarer and rarer. I filtered him out again because his schtick is just
> annoying. He used to be at about 30% accurate/70% inaccurate, but when
> he fell to only about 10% factual that was enough for me to reactivate
> the filter on his latest alias.

those numbers are not only baseless, but *way* off.

1% accurate would be optimistic, and that would be by mistake.

>
> I've certainly criticized Apple in the past, but it's been when there's
> some issue that actually exists and I always use references and
> citations to ensure that our resident trolls can't dispute anything
> (well they may still dispute it, I don't know, but at least no one
> believes them when they can't back up what they post).

that is bullshit.

your criticisms are fabricated and trivially debunked with numerous
cites, including ones from apple.

further debunking your bullshit are personal experiences from this
newsgroup as well as various other forums.

you deliberately ignore everyone and everything that contradicts your
bogus and often ludicrous claims, pretending that you are the sole
authority.

[sobriquet]

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 5:42:35 PM UTC+1, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> How do you download a single useful app to an older iPad model MC497LL
>

> An older friend of mine has two old Apple iOS devices which, if they were
> Android, would still work just fine on an older Android (the apps are what
> matter and most Android apps work just fine on almost any Android version).

>
> Yet, Apple, in its infinitely despicable customer unfriendly greed, has
> essentially unilaterally killed each of her two older Apple devices.
>

> She called me for advice on how to load software onto her iOS 5.1.1 circa
> 2010 Model MC497LL iPad because she says everything unilaterally no longer
> works.
>

> Given those facts above, and given Apple won't let her log into the iCloud,
> what options does she have just to use this older iPad which she owns?
>
> Apple doesn't own this device. She owns it.
> Apple wants to kill it. I get that. Apple is despicable. I know that.
>
> But all she wants to do is to use her iPad for _something_ useful.
> Anything.
>
> She owns it and Apple has no right to unilaterally kill her iPad.
>
> I'm advising her to do one thing and one thing only which is turn that older
> iPad into a single-use device, whether that's a kitchen clock or her GMail
> account, or her Google Voice telephone, or whatever, as that's all it's
> going to be good for.
>
> But how does she even download the kitchen clock app if it won't download?

That's the great thing about apple devices, you don't have to worry about forgetting to stop using them after their expiration date. Apple will remind you by 'updating' your device, so it stops working.
That's apple's way of telling you they think it's time you hand them over more cash to
own more apple junk.
Apple is the most successful company in history at ripping people off with inferior garbage
that has been designed to fail.

[Andy Burnelli]

On 14 Jan 2022 18:48:49 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> There are plenty.

For those who didn't click on Jolly Roger's idiotic links, they were links
to kindergarten games and not anything that would turn an older iPad into
something even as barely useful as a dumb kitchen clock would be.

The fact remains that if this were anything other than an Apple device, it
would still be useful even as it's a decade old (e.g., Android & Windows).

It's only Apple products where your large investment is destroyed over time.

[Zaidy036]

On 1/11/2022 11:42 AM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> How do you download a single useful app to an older iPad model MC497LL
>
> An older friend of mine has two old Apple iOS devices which, if they were
> Android, would still work just fine on an older Android (the apps are what
> matter and most Android apps work just fine on almost any Android version).
>
> Yet, Apple, in its infinitely despicable customer unfriendly greed, has
> essentially unilaterally killed each of her two older Apple devices.
>
> She called me for advice on how to load software onto her iOS 5.1.1 circa
> 2010 Model MC497LL iPad because she says everything unilaterally no longer
> works.
>
> Given those facts above, and given Apple won't let her log into the iCloud,
> what options does she have just to use this older iPad which she owns?
>
> Apple doesn't own this device. She owns it.
> Apple wants to kill it. I get that. Apple is despicable. I know that.
>
> But all she wants to do is to use her iPad for _something_ useful.
> Anything.
>
> She owns it and Apple has no right to unilaterally kill her iPad.
>
> I'm advising her to do one thing and one thing only which is turn that older
> iPad into a single-use device, whether that's a kitchen clock or her GMail
> account, or her Google Voice telephone, or whatever, as that's all it's
> going to be good for.
>
> But how does she even download the kitchen clock app if it won't download?
>

<https://appletoolbox.com/download-incompatible-apps-on-an-older-iphone-ipad-or-ipod-touch/>

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-01-15, Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> On 14 Jan 2022 18:48:49 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>

>>> *Name Just One*
>>
>> There are plenty.
>

> links to kindergarten games and not anything that would turn an older
> iPad into something even as barely useful as a dumb kitchen clock
> would be.

As usual, Arlen attempts to move the goal post when he is easily shown
to be full of shit. "Name Just One" becomes "kindergarten games" don't
count! : ) Arlen proclaims that playing games isn't something you should
be able to do on old iPads, and that nobody wants to do such a thing,
when that is clearly bullshit.

Meanwhile, the fact Arlen absolutely *refuses* to acknowledge due to his
strange, little Apple hate boner is that most apps on the original iPad
and models after that continue to work fine, including first- and
third-party productivity apps like these:

Note: I have just verified each of these work fine on my 1st gen iPad
sitting beside me.

* Clock
* Contacts
* FaceTime
* Mail
* Safari
* Reminders
* Calendar
* Notes
* Maps (both Apple and Google apps)
* Messages
* Find My
* Remote
* AdBlock (a system-wide ad blocker that Arlen claimed doesn't exist)
* iBooks
* Remoter VNC
* News
* Flipboard
* NewsTap (Usenet client)
* Deliveries
* Camera
* Fast Camera
* Camera++
* Photos
* iMovie
* Keynote
* SketchBook
* Adobe Illustrator Draw
* Adobe Photoshop Express
* Diptic
* Wikipedia
* Wolfram Alpha
* Word Hippo
* Instructables
* Lightbot Code Hour
* Google Translate
* Music
* GarageBand
* Alchemy
* Weather
* MyRadar
* WeatherBug
* Sky Guide
* Scanner (police & fire radio scanner)
* Reddit
* Yelp
* My Measurements (augmented reality measurement app)
* ...and so on

And a bunch of games continue to work just fine as well (though Arlen
will call all of these "kindergarten games" that no self-respecting iPad
user would ever play, because apparently mobile devices definitely
aren't for gaming - at all *wink* *wink*, including these:

Note: I have also verified each of these just now on my 1st gen iPad.

* Atari's Greatest Hits (an entire catalog of Atari games)
* Wild West Pinball
* Anodia
* GloBall
* Cabby
* Dominoes
* Angry Birds
* Cut the Rope
* Towerloxx
* Labyrinth
* FallDown
* FaceFusion
* Scrabble
* Draw Something
* Vegas Pool
* Solitaire
* Spider
* Tsuro (board game)
* Settlers of Catan (board game)
* ...and so on

> The fact remains that if this were anything other than an Apple
> device, it would still be useful even as it's a decade old (e.g.,
> Android & Windows).

Arlen *has* to pretend those of us with older model iPads *can't* use
them, due to his strange, little Apple hate boner. He *has* to refuse to
acknowledge that we exist in order to maintain his self image by giving
into his pathetic narcissistic personality disorder.

> It's only Apple products where your large investment is destroyed over
> time.

Arlen *refuses* to acknowledge that it is *app developers* (not Apple)
who are in full control over which devices their apps support. Arlen
*refuses* to acknowledge that several people in this thread have
responded to his "Name Just One" demand with links to even apps that are
12 years old that continue to run just fine on the original iPad. Arlen
*refuses* to acknowledge the fact that productivity apps like Mail,
Safari, Notes, Reminders, Calendar, and so on continue to run just fine
on even the oldest 1st generation iPad. He does this because his
strange, little Apple hate boner is the only "joy" he has in his
pathetic, sad, little lonely existence.

[Zaidy036]

Google to the rescue:

<https://sites.google.com/site/appleclubfhs/support/advice-and-articles/finding-apps-for-older-devices>

[Lewis]

In message <j4h136...@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-01-15, Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On 14 Jan 2022 18:48:49 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>>> *Name Just One*
>>>
>>> There are plenty.
>>
>> links to kindergarten games and not anything that would turn an older
>> iPad into something even as barely useful as a dumb kitchen clock
>> would be.

> As usual, Arlen attempts to move the goal post when he is easily shown
> to be full of shit. "Name Just One" becomes "kindergarten games" don't
> count! : ) Arlen proclaims that playing games isn't something you should
> be able to do on old iPads, and that nobody wants to do such a thing,
> when that is clearly bullshit.

I mean, it's not like iOS/iPad OS is the world's largest gaming platform
by every possible metric or anything, right?

Right?

iSSH worked last I checked, but that first gen 1Pad was scrapped a few
years ago.



--
I collect blondes and bottles. ~Marlowe

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-01-15, Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> On 2022-01-15, Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-01-15, Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jolly Roger failed to earn his GED three times!
>>
>> LOL! So what's my name, Arlen? Don't be a chickenshit pussy. Go ahead
>> and tell everyone who you think I am, trollboi... if you can!
>

> Our simple goal is, was, and always will be for this thread, is to
> find at least one useful app to load onto this older iPad to make it
> useful again.

As predicted, you can't even back up your words, fucking pussy.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-01-15, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> That's the great thing about apple devices, you don't have to worry
> about forgetting to stop using them after their expiration date. Apple
> will remind you by 'updating' your device

Nope, Apple software updates are *optional*. : )

> so it stops working

Nope, the 1st gen iPad works great even today.

> designed to fail

Weak troll, as always.

[Lewis]

In message <150120221508375630%nos...@nospam.invalid> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <srv0a2$280$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

>>
>> > Let us know when you post some truths. Historically and given the hundreds
>> > of posts per month you post on here anything that does end up being correct
>> > I suspect is only through blind luck.
>>
>> Harry/Arlen/Andy occasionally posts factual information, but it's become
>> rarer and rarer. I filtered him out again because his schtick is just
>> annoying. He used to be at about 30% accurate/70% inaccurate, but when
>> he fell to only about 10% factual that was enough for me to reactivate
>> the filter on his latest alias.

> those numbers are not only baseless, but *way* off.

At least a full order of magnitude.

> 1% accurate would be optimistic, and that would be by mistake.

And even 'accurate' is a bit of a stretch on those because he will
extrapolate something into a fantasy/delusion.

> your criticisms are fabricated and trivially debunked with numerous
> cites, including ones from apple.

sms's constant trolling about bullshit issues he's invented is just as
annoying as Arlen's somewhat different constant trolling bullshit.

> you deliberately ignore everyone and everything that contradicts your
> bogus and often ludicrous claims, pretending that you are the sole
> authority.

Yep. He's just as fragile and desperate for attention, any attention, as
the other trolls.


--
'I think, if you want thousands, you've got to fight for one.'

[Andy Burnelli]

On 15 Jan 2022 22:44:55 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> And a bunch of games continue to work just fine as well

If all you can find are kindergarten games, Jolly Roger, then you're wasting
our time because we're trying to turn this old iPad into something useful.

Name one useful app store URL that I can give this lady that will do that.
*Name Just One*

[Andy Burnelli]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 23:01:13 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

> I mean, it's not like iOS/iPad OS is the world's largest gaming platform
> by every possible metric or anything, right?

I don't think Lewis understands not everyone owns the brains of a child.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-01-16, Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2022 22:44:55 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>

>> And a bunch of games continue to work just fine as well
>
> If all you can find are kindergarten games

Trimming quoted material from your lame troll posts isn't going to save
you. Anyone reading can see exactly what you are trying and failing to
do, which will also be clearly archived forever in Google Groups since I
didn't include the X-No-Archive header. : )

> you're wasting your time

Yes. You're not worth any further responses at this point, as I have
easily proven you are utterly and completely full of shit, you useless
shit stain of a human being.

Enjoy your little Last Word party of one, loser. It's all you've got
left.: )

[Ant]

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-01-15, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > That's the great thing about apple devices, you don't have to worry
> > about forgetting to stop using them after their expiration date. Apple
> > will remind you by 'updating' your device

> Nope, Apple software updates are *optional*. : )

> > so it stops working

> Nope, the 1st gen iPad works great even today.

Just slow. :)
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[Andy Burnelli]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 12:11:58 -0500, nospam wrote:

> useful ios apps *do* exist. you just are incapable of finding them.

And yet, you can't even name a _single_ url to one.
*Name Just One*

A kitchen clock timer app would be nice.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 13:54:07 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

> There you go again, making false statements. The ipad isn't destroyed and
> certainly not by Apple.

Remember, she has _plenty_ of iPads.
All we're trying to do is turn this older iPad into something useful, Chris.

Is this a much more correct set of factual statements more to your liking?
"If this were an old Android phone, it wouldn't have this problem.
If this were an old Windows PC, it wouldn't have this problem.
It's only an old Apple iOS device that has this problem."

It doesn't matter _who_ destroyed her investment in Apple devices, Chris.

What matters is we're trying to find something (anything!) on the App Store
today that she can download and install that will turn it into something
useful again.

I appreciate that you're the only one who didn't recommend a silly game, but
even the app's you tried to install, _failed_ to install (as you noted).

All I want to find is a _single_ url to a _useful_ app she can install.
*Name Just One*

[Rod Speed]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote
> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote

>> OTOH, it is true that there are, and have been, a fair
>> number of applications that are not possible on iOS,
>> but that can be accomplished on Android.

> very few, and very niche, such as nmea.

Nope, nothing niche about recording all incoming
and outgoing calls automatically. Nothing niche
about being able to answer a call by voice print.
Nothing niche about getting siri to read out an
sms which has arrived with the phone locked.

>> But by the same token, there are a few things not
>> possible on Android that are possible on iOS.

> actually, there are *many* things possible on ios that are not possible
> on android, or at best, very difficult, for both users and developers.

[sobriquet]

Maybe this one works in the browser:
https://www.timer-tab.com/

[Chris]

Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 13:54:07 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>
>> There you go again, making false statements. The ipad isn't destroyed and
>> certainly not by Apple.
>
> Remember, she has _plenty_ of iPads.
> All we're trying to do is turn this older iPad into something useful, Chris.

Usefulness is something only you and "the old lady" can decide.

> Is this a much more correct set of factual statements more to your liking?
> "If this were an old Android phone, it wouldn't have this problem.
> If this were an old Windows PC, it wouldn't have this problem.
> It's only an old Apple iOS device that has this problem."

iOS is not the same as Windows nor Android which you know very, very well.

> It doesn't matter _who_ destroyed her investment in Apple devices, Chris.

No-one has destroyed anything.

> What matters is we're trying to find something (anything!) on the App Store
> today that she can download and install that will turn it into something
> useful again.

Why do you need to install anything? It has access to the WWW so it has
utility beyond the wildest dreams of someone born before 1960.

> I appreciate that you're the only one who didn't recommend a silly game, but
> even the app's you tried to install, _failed_ to install (as you noted).
>
> All I want to find is a _single_ url to a _useful_ app she can install.
> *Name Just One*

Stop changing your objective. I gave you an option which does work and gave
guidance on how to find other alternatives. That's all you're getting as
you're more than likely acting in bad faith.

[Andy Burnelli]

If nobody can find even a _single_ useful fullscreen clock app to put on
this older iPad (which isn't even that old, in terms of modern computers),
then it's proof that iOS has the _shortest_ life of all consumer platforms.

*Can you find a single CLOCK app for an old iOS device?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.ipad/c/9o5ap38vHNU>
"It's sad that iOS has the SHORTEST update cycle of all
common consumer operating systems"

Can you find a _single_ fullscreen free ad/free clock app for that iPad?
--
If not, it's proof positive of what I've been saying all along.

[Alan]

On 2022-08-30 14:28, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> If nobody can find even a _single_ useful fullscreen clock app to put on
> this older iPad (which isn't even that old, in terms of modern
> computers), then it's proof that iOS has the _shortest_ life of all
> consumer platforms.

That is literally the oldest iPad there is, and is a full 12 years old